How about this for hypocricy:

Telling Mark that he should stop posting here because it is a waste of time and then not being able to resist it yourself.

Wow. Thats the 2nd hypocricy i’ve found of yours.

I could go on all night.

Take care guys,

Derek

No more arguing from me. I’m out.

Best Regards,

Derek

Love ya.

Mark

The real issue here, I believe, is whether or not the Smith family is teaching a false doctrine.

You see, Derek, the problem is simply this…I believe they are and Mark does not. The problem then becomes this: Which debate do we take up?

Mark wants to talk about Slander and Gossip and We want to talk about False Teachers and Bad Doctrine. We allow Mark to come in and state his opinion, we even are willing to discuss it with him (yes, through cruel sarcasm on my part but a discussion none the less). Then he (and even more so YOU) start to get upset because we don’t say “YOU’RE RIGHT! I’ve been so blind and now I’m going to change my beliefs to fit yours!” Suddenly we are “bitter”, “gossips”, “slanders” and are “overlooking good doctrine,” and are “unwilling to be held accountable,” …

“So sorry Derek…does it sting to have your very words thrown back at you” (says Johnpaul with a wicked laugh)…

Side note: One thing that amazes me about these Big Bible Blog Battles is that so many people come on to this site and do exactly what they claim we are doing wrong. Its called hypocricy…but of course as long as its done within the confines of a Large Multi Site Charasmatic Church…it’s ok.
One thing I appreciate about Craig is that he is willing to say “If I am wrong then I will be judged for it”. There’s a real sense of humility in that. We may not have the answers…we may be misguided and deceived…but we BELIEVE that this is a big enough issue to take a stand on.

And by the way: Preaching The Prosperity Doctrine is Preaching Another Christ. Plain and Simple.

Feel free to disagree.

Some of us figured out a long time ago that debating on this site is a big waste of time.

Can’t you see that? Look back at the thread man. They tell you to cite scripture, so you do…have they responded to it? No, they responded with all the “you said this” and “you said that…” and “double standard this” and “double standard that” and oh, by the way…”You’re slandering me because you’re saying I’m slandering, therefore you’re slandering because you’re accusing me of slandering…blah blah blah.” So the scriptures come out, and nobody wants to debate them.

Instead they’d rather debate every word you type because it’s a way to deflect from the real issue.

I would encourage you to stop posting here. Obviously, you have a free will, and I think you can do what you want, but put it to rest.

Or in Craig’s words, “give it up.” Take that as a warning from the horses mouth that there aren’t going to be any intelligent, loving debates on this site.

There’s “think the way we think and don’t argue or else you’ll be attacked and we’ll pick apart every word you say, so as to take the focus off the real issue.” Talk about causing divisions.

Since nobody addressed your detailed and Biblically thorough post above, allow me, as an active member of TCC, to quickly address your question of whether or not the Pastor(s) “in question” display the bad fruit that the scripture is referring to……NO!

Swindler? Smooth-Talker? Imposter? Wolf in Sheep’s clothing? Sexually Immoral? Ravenous? Preaching another Christ? No. Some of the best preaching on the cross, grace, salvation and person of Christ that I have ever heard.

Some debatable doctrine on secondary issues, but who’s ever going to agree with everything another ministry teaches? I guess that makes all of them false teachers by the definitions/insinuations given and made on this blog.

Unfortunately some think that they can call out any preacher anytime anywhere and if that preacher doesn’t say “YOU’RE RIGHT! I’ve been so blind and now I’m going to change my beliefs to fit yours!” then suddenly that pastor is not “open to criticism”, or is “overlooking bad doctrine,” or is “unwilling to be held accountable,” or worst of all is a “heretic” and “false teacher”.

Wouldn’t that be nice? Anytime we confront someone because we don’t agree with their interpretation of scripture, we can just call them all these names and draw such definite conclusions? Then they’re a heretic and we’ve got it right. Really, Mark…do you see how silly these circular arguments are. You’re not sharpening one another.

So look at all of this Mark, and you tell me…Are you ever going to get a point across on a site like this?

Make your own decisions, but as a brother in Christ I wanted to offer some encouragement and in many ways, some warning so that you can avoid division and strife that would cause further division.

And okay Cameron…that’s your opinion, that’s fine. And if you want to share it with everyone and you think that’s okay…well, then do what suits you. Point taken. I’ll keep my opinions regarding your opinions, to myself.

All Love, fellas

Best,

Mark