Comments for Doctrinetalk.com http://www.doctrinetalk.com A Place To Discuss Christian Doctrine - 1 Timothy 4:16 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:11:00 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comment on Does Bishop Eddie L. Long Believe in the “Law of Attraction”? by Johnpaul Morton http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=325&cpage=1#comment-10589 Johnpaul Morton Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:11:00 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=325#comment-10589 Craig, It's good to see you posting again. Keep it up. Much of the Christian Church is in a sad state of affairs. We need people like you to "shine the light". Craig,

It’s good to see you posting again. Keep it up.

Much of the Christian Church is in a sad state of affairs. We need people like you to “shine the light”.

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll is Angry About Rabbis Teaching at Church by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=62&cpage=1#comment-10421 Cameron Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:56:50 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=62#comment-10421 Hey Kevin, the way I figure it is that if Driscoll preaches at TCC then it's a good thing for people there to hear something different, but MH would probably never let them preach a prosperity gospel sermon at their church. Hey Kevin, the way I figure it is that if Driscoll preaches at TCC then it’s a good thing for people there to hear something different, but MH would probably never let them preach a prosperity gospel sermon at their church.

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll is Angry About Rabbis Teaching at Church by Kevin http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=62&cpage=1#comment-10399 Kevin Tue, 31 Aug 2010 04:43:48 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=62#comment-10399 Mark Driscoll had John Piper at his church recently and they were talking about the false prosperity gospel. They even started naming name like Creflo Dollar, etc. Then a couple weeks later, he goes and speaks at the City Church, and they are a leading polluters of the word-faith prosperity gospel in the northwest. Little bit of a hypocrite if you ask me. Mark Driscoll had John Piper at his church recently and they were talking about the false prosperity gospel. They even started naming name like Creflo Dollar, etc. Then a couple weeks later, he goes and speaks at the City Church, and they are a leading polluters of the word-faith prosperity gospel in the northwest. Little bit of a hypocrite if you ask me.

]]> Comment on Does Bishop Eddie L. Long Believe in the “Law of Attraction”? by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=325&cpage=1#comment-9921 Cameron Sat, 21 Aug 2010 04:22:36 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=325#comment-9921 Wow. There's no distinction between 'The Secret' and 'Word of Faith'. It's amazing that they love the Bible so much that they interpret things into it that are no where found in the text! Like us being able to do everything the divine Logos does! Our faith is placed in Christ and who He says he is, not what we want to happen. God makes much of himself, not us. Our joy is in making much of him, not us. Daniel 4:34-35 "I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; for His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom endures from generation to generation. 35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’” Isa 46: 9-10 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. Psa 139:4,16 "Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD. your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." The word "ordain" above in Psa 139:16 is "yatsar" in Hebrew. It means to "fashion", "frame", or "form". Isaiah 45:6-7, "I am the LORD, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD Who does all these.” The word "create" is "bara" in Hebrew, which is used to refer to God creating out of nothing. Just like in Gen 1 when God created the heavens and the earth. Bottom line, God is sovereign, not us. Let's give praise to God, not man for being like God. Wow. There’s no distinction between ‘The Secret’ and ‘Word of Faith’. It’s amazing that they love the Bible so much that they interpret things into it that are no where found in the text! Like us being able to do everything the divine Logos does! Our faith is placed in Christ and who He says he is, not what we want to happen. God makes much of himself, not us. Our joy is in making much of him, not us.

Daniel 4:34-35 “I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; for His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom endures from generation to generation. 35 All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth; and no one can ward off His hand or say to Him, ‘What have You done?’”

Isa 46: 9-10 Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

Psa 139:4,16 “Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD. your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”

The word “ordain” above in Psa 139:16 is “yatsar” in Hebrew. It means to “fashion”, “frame”, or “form”.

Isaiah 45:6-7, “I am the LORD, and there is no other, the One forming light and creating darkness, causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD Who does all these.”

The word “create” is “bara” in Hebrew, which is used to refer to God creating out of nothing. Just like in Gen 1 when God created the heavens and the earth.

Bottom line, God is sovereign, not us. Let’s give praise to God, not man for being like God.

]]> Comment on Does The City Church Teach Word Of Faith? by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323&cpage=1#comment-6978 Cameron Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:09:40 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323#comment-6978 That is crazy. Christians today have no discernment. We are always trying to make the Bible fit into our box. Wilde views Scripture and Christianity through his political lens. Wilde is U.S. government minded so tries to make God a giant politician, Obama is socialist minded and tries to make Jesus a liberation theologian, Olsteen is self-improvement minded and tries to make Jesus a third base coach. I'd like to just see people make Jesus what Scripture actually says He is and what the apostles actualy say He is for once. The real political position to have then is that Jesus will return soon and kill all the bad guys and redeem other bad guys into good guys by grace, and rule forever. And every politician must give an account to Him. It's very simple actually. That is crazy. Christians today have no discernment. We are always trying to make the Bible fit into our box. Wilde views Scripture and Christianity through his political lens. Wilde is U.S. government minded so tries to make God a giant politician, Obama is socialist minded and tries to make Jesus a liberation theologian, Olsteen is self-improvement minded and tries to make Jesus a third base coach. I’d like to just see people make Jesus what Scripture actually says He is and what the apostles actualy say He is for once.

The real political position to have then is that Jesus will return soon and kill all the bad guys and redeem other bad guys into good guys by grace, and rule forever. And every politician must give an account to Him. It’s very simple actually.

]]> Comment on Does The City Church Teach Word Of Faith? by craig http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323&cpage=1#comment-6973 craig Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:00:38 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323#comment-6973 Hi BG, I decided to listen to some of the message, and it was a whopper Word of Faith message. Some of his points were: 1. The bible is not a religious document, but a government document (something like that) 2. We can speak things into existence. He used the example of oil, that he believes we don't need to worry about lack of oil because we can create more if we understood the power of the tongue. Basically he insinuated that if we took the creative power we have with words we could speak more oil into existence. 3. We are sovereign over the earth, so God can do nothing unless invited by us. It is clear to me that this theology lowers God from the Sovereign of the universe, and elevates us as sovereign. Kind of reminds me of how the Devil attempted to temp Jesus with the kingdoms of this world. Doesn't Wilde know Jesus refused them? His whole message was for Christians to attempt to take the over the kingdoms of this world. It sounds like the Devil is still trying that ploy on Christians...but unfortunately it works now. Hi BG,

I decided to listen to some of the message, and it was a whopper Word of Faith message.

Some of his points were:

1. The bible is not a religious document, but a government document (something like that)
2. We can speak things into existence. He used the example of oil, that he believes we don’t need to worry about lack of oil because we can create more if we understood the power of the tongue. Basically he insinuated that if we took the creative power we have with words we could speak more oil into existence.
3. We are sovereign over the earth, so God can do nothing unless invited by us.

It is clear to me that this theology lowers God from the Sovereign of the universe, and elevates us as sovereign. Kind of reminds me of how the Devil attempted to temp Jesus with the kingdoms of this world. Doesn’t Wilde know Jesus refused them? His whole message was for Christians to attempt to take the over the kingdoms of this world. It sounds like the Devil is still trying that ploy on Christians…but unfortunately it works now.

]]> Comment on Does The City Church Teach Word Of Faith? by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323&cpage=1#comment-6958 Cameron Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:04:53 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323#comment-6958 Yes, the unbalanced un-Biblical view of a prevenient God who is always standing by anticipating our actions so He can then move. This worldview is dangereous because it inadvertently leaves you in doubt because you never know if you've responded to God enough as you ought. The real gospel flips this on its head because Christ has already done all. Rom 8 "it is God who justifies, who is he that condemns?" I wish people would leave their churches on Sunday mornings with this on the forefront of their minds, not man-centered doctrines. Yes, the unbalanced un-Biblical view of a prevenient God who is always standing by anticipating our actions so He can then move. This worldview is dangereous because it inadvertently leaves you in doubt because you never know if you’ve responded to God enough as you ought. The real gospel flips this on its head because Christ has already done all. Rom 8 “it is God who justifies, who is he that condemns?”

I wish people would leave their churches on Sunday mornings with this on the forefront of their minds, not man-centered doctrines.

]]> Comment on Does The City Church Teach Word Of Faith? by BG http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323&cpage=1#comment-6956 BG Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:45:59 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=323#comment-6956 Have you guys heard of Ken Wilde? Can't believe he actually said that man is sovereign and that we must give God permission to act. http://thecity.org/media/message/kingdom_authority/ Have you guys heard of Ken Wilde? Can’t believe he actually said that man is sovereign and that we must give God permission to act.

http://thecity.org/media/message/kingdom_authority/

]]> Comment on John MacArthur Takes on the WOF/Prosperity Gospel by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=319&cpage=1#comment-6918 Cameron Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:04:36 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=319#comment-6918 Oh, P. Wendel also critiqued Hank's salvation and said he was a false prophet, without giving any Biblical support for it. Hank actually champions the full and true gospel, and doesn't change it, add to it, or subtract from it. I have greater reason to accept that his wide spread teachings are saving souls, not depriving souls. Oh, P. Wendel also critiqued Hank’s salvation and said he was a false prophet, without giving any Biblical support for it. Hank actually champions the full and true gospel, and doesn’t change it, add to it, or subtract from it. I have greater reason to accept that his wide spread teachings are saving souls, not depriving souls.

]]> Comment on John MacArthur Takes on the WOF/Prosperity Gospel by Cameron http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=319&cpage=1#comment-6917 Cameron Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:01:55 +0000 http://www.doctrinetalk.com/?p=319#comment-6917 Also, I remember when P. Wendell critiqued Hank Hanegraaf's character, NOT his teachings, in front of the entire congregation. And this was a mandatory service where everyone, even children, had to attend! He never contact Hank directly. You're double standards, and worse your un-Biblical standards, astound me! Also, I remember when P. Wendell critiqued Hank Hanegraaf’s character, NOT his teachings, in front of the entire congregation. And this was a mandatory service where everyone, even children, had to attend! He never contact Hank directly.

You’re double standards, and worse your un-Biblical standards, astound me!

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